CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

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CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby 4L5O » Tue May 17, 2022 1:52 pm

We are interesting CAT control to UCXLOG on thetis, anybody using, or can we find any instruction.

Thank you.
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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby w9mdb » Tue May 17, 2022 2:01 pm

Thetis -- must add virtual serial port software. Eltima is recommended. In this example COM16/17 is a virtual serial port pair.
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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby 4L5O » Tue May 17, 2022 2:07 pm

w9mdb wrote:Thetis -- must add virtual serial port software. Eltima is recommended. In this example COM16/17 is a virtual serial port pair.
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OK, thank you very much for info,

does not need OMNIRIG?

When i get my order anan7000 i will try,

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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby w9mdb » Tue May 17, 2022 2:12 pm

No. Omnirig is not needed.
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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby 4L5O » Tue May 17, 2022 2:13 pm

w9mdb wrote:No. Omnirig is not needed.

Ok, thank you.

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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby 4L5O » Tue May 17, 2022 2:31 pm

w9mdb wrote:No. Omnirig is not needed.

Please can you link to download eltima? is it not free?
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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby w9mdb » Tue May 17, 2022 2:52 pm

Eltima https://www.eltima.com/purchase/vspdxp/
And I don't believe there is a free version but don't quote me.

VSPM kind of works apparently and it is free.
http://k5fr.com/DDUtilV3wiki/index.php? ... SP_Manager

com0com is another option but last time I checked it didn't work with Windows 11.
https://sourceforge.net/p/com0com/discu ... /c4d52f1b/

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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby 4L5O » Tue May 17, 2022 2:58 pm

w9mdb wrote:Eltima https://www.eltima.com/purchase/vspdxp/
And I don't believe there is a free version but don't quote me.

VSPM kind of works apparently and it is free.
http://k5fr.com/DDUtilV3wiki/index.php? ... SP_Manager

com0com is another option but last time I checked it didn't work with Windows 11.
https://sourceforge.net/p/com0com/discu ... /c4d52f1b/

Mike W9MDB


Ok, thank you.

kind regards,
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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby K1LSB » Tue May 17, 2022 3:57 pm

VSP Manager has always worked fine for me, I've been using it for years anytime I need a virtual com port connection.

It is critical to follow all of the installation requirements, including Item 2: "Delete ALL virtual ports installed by other virtual serial port programs (vCom, com0com, VSPE, etc.) and then un-install the vsp program(s) themselves. This is mandatory as VSP Manager will not recognize them and conflicts may occur."

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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby w-u-2-o » Tue May 17, 2022 4:54 pm

Just my opinion having used all three, major, virtual serial port app':

First choice: Eltima VSPE. Most stable. Most flexible. Worth the $25USD.

Second choice: com0com. Reasonably stable. Also quite flexible. Free.

Third choice: VSPM. It works most of the time. When it decides not to work it'll have you tearing your hair out. Not recommended.
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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby K1LSB » Tue May 17, 2022 7:11 pm

Scott,

I keep seeing vague, nebulous and unsupported references to "VSPM is not reliable".

Per K5FR's very clear warning, if the VSPM installation instructions are not meticulously followed then problems should be expected.

Your own recommendation in 2020 to someone who was having problems with VSPM did not correctly follow K5FR's instructions. You recommended "uninstalling VSPM, rebooting, reinstalling, rebooting, then try again":

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3321&p=10200&hilit=vspm#p10200

However, K5FR's installation instructions explicitly say:

Delete ALL virtual ports installed by other virtual serial port programs (vCom, com0com, VSPE, etc.) and then un-install the vsp program(s) themselves. This is mandatory as VSP Manager will not recognize them and conflicts may occur. Warning! If you are upgrading from an older version of VSPM (v1.0.1) this step is critical.

Execute (double-click) the setup.exe file.

Select the directory where you want VSP Manager installed.

Note: 64 bit systems must NOT use the C:\Program Files\ directory. It is suggested to use the C:\vspMgr\ directory which is the installer default.


Those instructions are found here:

http://k5fr.com/DDUtilV3wiki/index.php?title=VSPM

I followed K5FR's installation instructions on initial install and have never had any problems.

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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby dl4zbg » Tue May 17, 2022 8:49 pm

I have been running UCXLog with both my K3 and my 7000 DLE (SO2R) with microHam MK2R+ and/or VSPE Eltima virtual ports for years- no problems. I tried K5FR VSPM as well. If you are using VSPM virtual ports you can forget about using microHam stuff. Grrrr

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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby w-u-2-o » Tue May 17, 2022 9:02 pm

I'm glad it's worked well for you, Mark. And, I expressly stated that it was opinion, thereby leaving room for other opinions such as yours. And Volker's.

There's nothing nebulous about my concerns and observations. I used DDUtil and VSPM for years. I had nothing but trouble with it even though the instructions for VSPM were meticulously followed, just as you wrote. This goes back to the legacy Flex PowerSDR days. PowerSDR would not stay connected. DDUtil would not stay connected. Ports would stay committed even though app's had been quit. I corresponded with Steve about this and he was entirely uninterested. I finally gave up and went to VSPE and, just like you with VSPM, never had a problem.

Today, four different PC builds into the future, VSPE keeps running with absolutely zero problems. Not even Windows updates bother it in any way. Perhaps I was doing something wrong with VSPM. Or perhaps not. Either way, whatever I'm doing does not bother VSPE in the least. It has undoubtedly saved me many times over its $25 price in savings of time trying to figure out whey VSPM won't connect to some app today, or having to reboot because it won't cough up a COM port when I want it to. If we want to blame a lack of rigor on my part for the problems I've had with VSPM that's OK. I'm happy to pay for unfussy, undemanding software that can withstand less rigorous treatment and thereby save me loads of time and energy. VSPE works with everything completely transparently: real COM ports, virtual COM ports, Moxa device server virtual COM ports, you name it.

73,

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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby 4L5O » Mon May 23, 2022 11:20 am

dl4zbg wrote:I have been running UCXLog with both my K3 and my 7000 DLE (SO2R) with microHam MK2R+ and/or VSPE Eltima virtual ports for years- no problems. I tried K5FR VSPM as well. If you are using VSPM virtual ports you can forget about using microHam stuff. Grrrr

73

Volker

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Hello Volker,

Please i'm interesting if you are using microkeyer II To ANAN 7000 DLE, what interface cable are you using? i can not find it on microham website.

Kindregards, 4L5O.
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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby dl4zbg » Mon May 23, 2022 1:03 pm

Hello 4L5O,

there does exist a cable for the ANAN-100; this works only correctly for the 100D (CW straight key to DB25 plug ist not supported for the 100, I reported to Jozef OM7ZZ):

http://www.microham.com/Downloads/DB37-AL-100.pdf

I purchased this cable last year from WIMO for my ANAN-100 and added a new connection for the keyer.

For the 7000DLE I took this drawing as a basis and made a cable on my own! It is not too complicated but took me nearly a day incl. the planning:

DB37 male plug with plastic housing

4 leads of RG174/U 1m long for
- CW connected "DIG IN 2" — YOU MUST ENABLE DSP>CW Checkbox „IAMBIC“ RCA male (Cinch)
- LINE IN TO "L LINE IN“ RCA male (Cinch)
- LINE OUT RCA male (Cinch) WILL BE CONNECTED TO „R LINE IN“ WHEN I FINISHED MODIFYING THE HEADER (Pin 7)
- PTT to „PTT IN“ RCA male (Cinch)

1 lead of RG174/U 1,5 meters long for front panel „MIC“ connector (3,5mm Stereo)

these 5 cables were tied together in a shrinking tube 19mm , 80cm long and added a collapsible ferrite core like all microHam cables have.


1 cable 2m long stereo (shielded) to DB9 female for CAT (PC) just like in the drawing!

Do not forget the jumper contacts.
The only difficult thing is to connect the shields of the 3 analog lines to the pins ISOLATED FROM EACH OTHER.

A standard Cinch Mono Cable should be used to connect „PTT Out“ from the ANAN to the „PTT In“ of the MicroHam.


73

Volker

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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby 4L5O » Mon May 23, 2022 1:22 pm

dl4zbg wrote:Hello 4L5O,

there does exist a cable for the ANAN-100; this works only correctly for the 100D (CW straight key to DB25 plug ist not supported for the 100, I reported to Jozef OM7ZZ):

http://www.microham.com/Downloads/DB37-AL-100.pdf

I purchased this cable last year from WIMO for my ANAN-100 and added a new connection for the keyer.

For the 7000DLE I took this drawing as a basis and made a cable on my own! It is not too complicated but took me nearly a day incl. the planning:

DB37 male plug with plastic housing

4 leads of RG174/U 1m long for
- CW connected "DIG IN 2" — YOU MUST ENABLE DSP>CW Checkbox „IAMBIC“ RCA male (Cinch)
- LINE IN TO "L LINE IN“ RCA male (Cinch)
- LINE OUT RCA male (Cinch) WILL BE CONNECTED TO „R LINE IN“ WHEN I FINISHED MODIFYING THE HEADER (Pin 7)
- PTT to „PTT IN“ RCA male (Cinch)

1 lead of RG174/U 1,5 meters long for front panel „MIC“ connector (3,5mm Stereo)

these 5 cables were tied together in a shrinking tube 19mm , 80cm long and added a collapsible ferrite core like all microHam cables have.


1 cable 2m long stereo (shielded) to DB9 female for CAT (PC) just like in the drawing!

Do not forget the jumper contacts.
The only difficult thing is to connect the shields of the 3 analog lines to the pins ISOLATED FROM EACH OTHER.

A standard Cinch Mono Cable should be used to connect „PTT Out“ from the ANAN to the „PTT In“ of the MicroHam.


73

Volker

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Ok, thank you for information, i hope this cable is for ANAN 7000 Will be ok, https://www.microham.com/Downloads/DB37-FX-5000.pdf

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Omari, 4L5O.
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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby w-u-2-o » Mon May 23, 2022 2:13 pm

4L5O wrote:Ok, thank you for information, i hope this cable is for ANAN 7000 Will be ok, https://www.microham.com/Downloads/DB37-FX-5000.pdf

If you read what Volker wrote, and have looked at the connectors available on the front and back of the 7000, you will clearly see that that cable will not work without modification.

The 7000 does not have Line Out connection available. That signal does exist inside the unit but the unit would have to be internally modified to bring it out. This is an easy modification for folks who can read a schematic and use a soldering iron. Note also that it is not a true line out, the audio gain varies with the volume settings.

The 7000 key input is a 3.5mm TRS jack. There would need to be an adapter between the 6.3mm plug and that jack. Buying an adapter or an adapter cable should be easy.
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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby 4L5O » Mon May 23, 2022 2:30 pm

w-u-2-o wrote:
4L5O wrote:Ok, thank you for information, i hope this cable is for ANAN 7000 Will be ok, https://www.microham.com/Downloads/DB37-FX-5000.pdf

If you read what Volker wrote, and have looked at the connectors available on the front and back of the 7000, you will clearly see that that cable will not work without modification.

The 7000 does not have Line Out connection available. That signal does exist inside the unit but the unit would have to be internally modified to bring it out. This is an easy modification for folks who can read a schematic and use a soldering iron. Note also that it is not a true line out, the audio gain varies with the volume settings.

The 7000 key input is a 3.5mm TRS jack. There would need to be an adapter between the 6.3mm plug and that jack. Buying an adapter or an adapter cable should be easy.

Ok, thank you for info, we will try to modification,

Kind regards,
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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby 4L5O » Thu May 26, 2022 2:24 pm

dl4zbg wrote:Hello 4L5O,

there does exist a cable for the ANAN-100; this works only correctly for the 100D (CW straight key to DB25 plug ist not supported for the 100, I reported to Jozef OM7ZZ):

http://www.microham.com/Downloads/DB37-AL-100.pdf

I purchased this cable last year from WIMO for my ANAN-100 and added a new connection for the keyer.

For the 7000DLE I took this drawing as a basis and made a cable on my own! It is not too complicated but took me nearly a day incl. the planning:

DB37 male plug with plastic housing

4 leads of RG174/U 1m long for
- CW connected "DIG IN 2" — YOU MUST ENABLE DSP>CW Checkbox „IAMBIC“ RCA male (Cinch)
- LINE IN TO "L LINE IN“ RCA male (Cinch)
- LINE OUT RCA male (Cinch) WILL BE CONNECTED TO „R LINE IN“ WHEN I FINISHED MODIFYING THE HEADER (Pin 7)
- PTT to „PTT IN“ RCA male (Cinch)

1 lead of RG174/U 1,5 meters long for front panel „MIC“ connector (3,5mm Stereo)

these 5 cables were tied together in a shrinking tube 19mm , 80cm long and added a collapsible ferrite core like all microHam cables have.


1 cable 2m long stereo (shielded) to DB9 female for CAT (PC) just like in the drawing!

Do not forget the jumper contacts.
The only difficult thing is to connect the shields of the 3 analog lines to the pins ISOLATED FROM EACH OTHER.

A standard Cinch Mono Cable should be used to connect „PTT Out“ from the ANAN to the „PTT In“ of the MicroHam.


73

Volker

DL4ZBG


Hello Volker,
I have ordered and have not yet received Annan 7000 dle, I wonder if you have a photo remake line Out, I have even seen the photo but I do not know exactly if it is.
thanks.
With best wishes, 73!
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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby w-u-2-o » Thu May 26, 2022 2:49 pm

I recommend you leave the Orion MKII board alone and instead cut and jumper the so-called rear panel "spreadout board" (what most would call a breakout board), which is the board that holds the six phono, two speaker and one DE9 connectors on the rear panel.

That board has a header connector marked J2 on it. It is connected to its corresponding connector J16 on the Orion MKII board. Here is a schematic snippet of the header connector on the Orion:

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Pin 7 is left channel line out. You might do something like cut/jumper that to the Right Channel Line-in phono jack, just to make things neat and clean. Or, alternately, use the DIG 2 phono jack. Or you could add another connector somehow.

Apache continues to ask that the Orion MKII schematic, and the other board schematics of the 7000, not be publicly posted. However they will provide them privately upon request. In the mean time, where J16 is concerned it, its associated circuitry, including all OC, PTT and audio related IO, has remained essentially identical across all models from the original ANAN-10 through the ANAN-7000. If you download the schematic for the Orion board in the ANAN-200D (available in the schematic section of this forum), you will know the entire pinout for J16 and thus J2 on the ANAN-7000 spreadout board.
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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby 4L5O » Thu May 26, 2022 3:36 pm

w-u-2-o wrote:I recommend you leave the Orion MKII board alone and instead cut and jumper the so-called rear panel "spreadout board" (what most would call a breakout board), which is the board that holds the six phono, two speaker and one DE9 connectors on the rear panel.

That board has a header connector marked J2 on it. It is connected to its corresponding connector J16 on the Orion MKII board. Here is a schematic snippet of the header connector on the Orion:

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Pin 7 is left channel line out. You might do something like cut/jumper that to the Right Channel Line-in phono jack, just to make things neat and clean. Or, alternately, use the DIG 2 phono jack. Or you could add another connector somehow.

Apache continues to ask that the Orion MKII schematic, and the other board schematics of the 7000, not be publicly posted. However they will provide them privately upon request. In the mean time, where J16 is concerned it, its associated circuitry, including all OC, PTT and audio related IO, has remained essentially identical across all models from the original ANAN-10 through the ANAN-7000. If you download the schematic for the Orion board in the ANAN-200D (available in the schematic section of this forum), you will know the entire pinout for J16 and thus J2 on the ANAN-7000 spreadout board.

Ok, many thanks for info,
i will try to find schematic,

kind regards,
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Re: CAT CONTROL TO UCXLOG.

Postby dl4zbg » Thu May 26, 2022 7:07 pm

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I soldered a shielded cable directly to pin 7 (Line Out Left ) and 2 (GND) of the I/O board. I noticed some RFI (hum) due to ground loop effects. The use of an AF transformer may help.

73

Volker

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