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Ernst - thanks, I will take a look at this. The filter/stack knows we should technically be on the highlighted stack entry after the delete, but the VFO has not moved. This would not be ideal though in your case. I will have a head scratch. I have been thinking about an update as well.

Maybe a "update"-button, which overrides the current entry?

73 Ernst

W2NER, Richie,
I am also seeing an issue with PS on using 21d2
It takes several seconds for the pure signal to get corrected in green.
If you stop transmitting and then start again, the correcting comes up blue for a few seconds and then turns green.
this happens every time you start transmitting.
Sometimes I see AC1 OVERLOAD in yellow on the bottom of the panadaptor.
I see the ATT stays at 0 until the correcting goes to green, then it goes to 14 which is normal.
PS not acting right.
Don W9BHI

oe3ide wrote:

Ernst - thanks, I will take a look at this. The filter/stack knows we should technically be on the highlighted stack entry after the delete, but the VFO has not moved. This would not be ideal though in your case. I will have a head scratch. I have been thinking about an update as well.

Maybe a "update"-button, which overrides the current entry?

73 Ernst

Yeah I am in the middle of adding it. Also, when you delete an entry, vfo will be changed to next selected in the stack to make things align. The issue at start up where the mode/filter buttons can be out of sync should be resolved as well.

I have quickly added a debug option available through Setup->Test that will turn on some text in the panadaptor to show control name that has the mouse over it, helpful for skin devs etc. It just uses some hidden debug stuff that be turned on to go to the panadaptor.

R.

Richie,
Sometimes if I turn off PS then turn it back on, and transmit, it does not show correcting or feedback.
If I turn it off and on again then transmit, it shows correcting and blue feedback then green every time I transmit.
Don

If you are reporting PS issues , please include the following. Just saying it isn't working is no help at all really.

Radio model
Protocol in use
If diversity in use
Screenshot of your DCC page
Screenshot of your advanced PS section

and extensive testing comparing results of 21c to 21d, and even 2_8_11 base to 21c/21d.

The changes are to which ADC the step att value is applied to depending on your adc assignments for DDC2 and DDC3. Consider previously that if you had ADC1 selected for ddc2 for example, the attenuator would be applying to ADC0, always, no matter what you had selected, and for RX2 it would be applying it to ADC1 even if you had ADC0 selected for RX2.

What I don't want to happen here are reports of 'PS is not working as it should', because in all actuality 'it has never worked 100% at it should on P2 on certain hardware at certain temps at certain moon phases'.

There are probably some issues with ATT on P1 however, which I will look at later today/tomorrow when I have had a moment to move my radio to P1 from P2.

R.

oe3ide wrote:

Thera are issues with modes at Thetis startup.

The selected mode shows USB, but in panadapter the mode is really LSB.

Not reproducable here (21d2). But I have deleted all band-stack entries and made them new.

73 Ernst

Me too, but still suffering this issue...

Richie,

Running 21d2 here on my 7000 DLE MKII, P2 firmware. I'm not sure what the new checkbox "Display PS-RX and PS-TX spectra" in the PureSignal screen is supposed to do, but I'm seeing some very large power levels displayed in the RX2 screen when that box is checked, regardless of the fact that I have "Gnd BPF2 on TX" checked in Settings>General>Ant/Filters>Antenna.

The screenshot below has two different SSB transmissions displayed. The first transmission (in the white ovals) is with the "Display PS-RX and PS-TX spectra" box unchecked. Notice how weak the signal is in RX2 (this is as it should be, because the RX2 prefilter is grounded during TX).

The second transmission (in the orange ovals) is with the "Display PS-RX and PS-TX spectra" box checked. Notice the huge signal strength in RX2 despite the fact that "Gnd BPF2 on TX" is still checked.

In both cases the transmitted power is 61 watts. I'm getting my PS feedback from an external sampler downstream from my linear amp, so I'm really worried about the power that would be sent to RX2 If I were to have my amp switched on!

Also, notice that my VFO transmit frequency is 3.906 MHz, but when the "Display PS-RX and PS-TX spectra" box is checked the panafalls for both receivers indicate that I'm transmitting on 3.900 MHz.

Thank you for all you do for us,

Mark

ea3aqr - noted about start up state. Please open up the bandstack window, take screenshot, next to the vfo and panaptor.

Richie.

K1LSB wrote:Richie,
Running 21d2 here on my 7000 DLE MKII, P2 firmware. I'm not sure what the new checkbox "Display PS-RX and PS-TX spectra" in the PureSignal is supposed to do

Perhaps someone knows, and if it is working as intended? I have not look at that since owning an anan

R.

ea3aqr - thanks, I will look into it. It is probably fixed now due to the fixes in 21e for mode/filter button section state. That screen shot helped.

EDIT: yep looks resolved in 21e.

R.

Hi Ritchie,

21d2 is working fine here, TRX and FW see in my Signature.

PS is working perfekt here, no Problems with it, picking the Signal with ext. Sampler behind my Amplifier.

I have a little Prob with the Bandstacks here: On 10m it comes up with saved Zoom, Centerfreq. for the Display.
On 15 and 80 m it comes with saved Zoom but not with the saved Centerfreq.. I use ctun for all Entrys.
May be others see the same??
May be my Database is defekt??

73 Erwin

Hate to jump on the PS problem child bandwagon, but there sure seems to be something funny going on. I'm starting to think it is related to the attenuator code, more specifically the step attenuator part of the code.

8000, 21d2, verified fully stable P2 here.

So far I've noted the following anomalous behavior but, damn it, can't come up with a procedure to reliably reproduce it yet:

1. Engaging PS and two-tone and seeing it start with a step-atten of 0dB and be stuck there. Manually changing TX step-atten to what I know it ought to be sorts the problem.

2. Using two-tone to adjust the PS solution, finding the transmit step-atten value assigned as receive step-atten value at the end of the transmission.

I'm not posting this to torture you with unactionable data, Richie. I'm posting this in the hope that others might notice the same behavior and then one of us will be able to come up with a procedure to reproduce it.

Thanks,

Scott

ramdor wrote:ea3aqr - thanks, I will look into it. It is probably fixed now due to the fixes in 21e for mode/filter button section state. That screen shot helped.

EDIT: yep looks resolved in 21e.

R.

I've also detected that a click on LSB and and then on USB rosolves the issue for the current Thetis session, but also changes my filter width from 2.4k to 2.9k.

I never use 2.9k filter so looks like it is restoring filter width from anywhere...

Thanks for you great job!

DO2ZA Erwin wrote:Hi Ritchie,

21d2 is working fine here, TRX and FW see in my Signature.

PS is working perfekt here, no Problems with it, picking the Signal with ext. Sampler behind my Amplifier.

I have a little Prob with the Bandstacks here: On 10m it comes up with saved Zoom, Centerfreq. for the Display.
On 15 and 80 m it comes with saved Zoom but not with the saved Centerfreq.. I use ctun for all Entrys.
May be others see the same??
May be my Database is defekt??

73 Erwin

is this startup? when clicking on the band button? when selecting a row in the bandstack list by clicking on it?

Richie.

Erwin - check you do not have the 15/80m entries locked. If you do nothing gets saved into it if you leave.

I'll release a 21d3 in 30 mins or so which should fix these start up issues. The DDC/ADC attenuation stuff is still WIP for P1 and has not been tested at all.

Richie.

DO2ZA Erwin wrote:Hi Ritchie,

21d2 is working fine here, TRX and FW see in my Signature.

PS is working perfekt here, no Problems with it, picking the Signal with ext. Sampler behind my Amplifier.



73 Erwin

Okay, did a test with RX S-ATT 6 dB, Pure Signal work perfekt, but when back to RX i have higher Noise (goes up with 6 dB) on the Spectrum
and on the Audio and 6 dB more on the S-Meter.
Without RX ATT this will not happen.

w-u-2-o wrote:Hate to jump on the PS problem child bandwagon, but there sure seems to be something funny going on. I'm starting to think it is related to the attenuator code, more specifically the step attenuator part of the code.

8000, 21d2, verified fully stable P2 here.

So far I've noted the following anomalous behavior but, damn it, can't come up with a procedure to reliably reproduce it yet:

1. Engaging PS and two-tone and seeing it start with a step-atten of 0dB and be stuck there. Manually changing TX step-atten to what I know it ought to be sorts the problem.

2. Using two-tone to adjust the PS solution, finding the transmit step-atten value assigned as receive step-atten value at the end of the transmission.

I'm not posting this to torture you with unactionable data, Richie. I'm posting this in the hope that others might notice the same behavior and then one of us will be able to come up with a procedure to reproduce it.

Thanks,

Scott

Thanks for the info Scott. I'll have a quick through the code path again, might have been something I overlooked, or changed inadvertently.

Time to load up WinMerge and check what changed

Richie.

An anomoly I noticed this morning while looking around in "Collapsed" mode. If I select CTUN and change to another band . Then come back to the original band, CTUN has not been retained as selected in the originally selected band . On the other hand, I don't have much use for the Collapsed mode. CTUN does carry over when switching from "Expand" to "Collapsed". On the other hand, Does anyone know it's original intention ("Collapsed"? Also as far as I am concerned this can be at the very end...............................of the list. The only good I see for it is that it really looks pretty with a Star Trek graphic in the background

Richie,
I did a Protocol 2 ADC assignments reset to default and it seems to have fixed the issue I was having with PS.
I am running a blue face 7000DLE. P2, v21d2.
There is a lot of changes from the original 2.11 that I am having to figure out.
Thanks for your patience.
Don W9BHI

I think there is an issue with TXATT/RXAtt assignments if adc's are the same. That is what it looks like on the surface.

Richie.

ramdor wrote:Erwin - check you do not have the 15/80m entries locked. If you do nothing gets saved into it if you leave.



Richie.

Hi,

I have testet this with unlocked and lock, will not work here.

Erwin

Richie,
So just for asking, what should the ADC settings be set to?
I have mine set for default.
No diversity being used.
Don

v. 21d2 with Protocol 2 and 7000DLE MK2, playing with modes and filters bandwidth, I have strange values in low and high, as seen on file attached.
I tried to reset database and at first it worked, by playing again with modes and filters and reset to default value the bandwith, I have strange readings.

yes, filters and modes will not be correct at start up, until new patch goes up. Which may be later this evening.


Seems like I am fighting an uphill battle with the att stuff. For instance, load up old Theits 2_8_11....

1) turn on rx2
2) MOX/PTT and then adjust the S-ATT for RX1 .. RX2 is adjusted, when it should be changing only the TXATT

Lots of issues in here around all this code tbh.

Richie.

rbduck wrote:On the other hand, Does anyone know it's original intention ("Collapsed"?

The original intent of the questionably named "Collapse" mode is to help out folks with small screens get a better view of the spectral display.

Collapse mode also forms the basis of the work being done on the as yet to be seen Andromeda all-in-one radio.

ramdor wrote: Seems like I am fighting an uphill battle with the att stuff. For instance, load up old Theits 2_8_11....

1) turn on rx2
2) MOX/PTT and then adjust the S-ATT for RX1 .. RX2 is adjusted, when it should be changing only the TXATT

Richie.

Can't reproduce the above in Thetis 2.8.11 (using P2 on a 7000).
Smells like database corruption to me

73

W4WMT wrote:

ramdor wrote: Seems like I am fighting an uphill battle with the att stuff. For instance, load up old Theits 2_8_11....

1) turn on rx2
2) MOX/PTT and then adjust the S-ATT for RX1 .. RX2 is adjusted, when it should be changing only the TXATT

Richie.

Can't reproduce the above in Thetis 2.8.11 (using P2 on a 7000).
Smells like database corruption to me

73

Well it should do, because there is code in there to do it. So you can't be replicating the test correctly. Just to note, it is whilst you are running PTT/MOX and you move the satt value, which has become the tx-satt value.

R.

21d3 is up there

Couple of fixes for 21d3, and some changes, please see the list. I just ran some testing on PS on the 7000 here, P2, and seemed fine with default DDC/ADC assignments, and with ADC set at 0 for both DDC2 + 3. There may be some issue if both assigned to ADC1, testing continues.

Also, note there is WIP for notches in transverter bands atm. Still in a state of flux.

R.

Ritchie,

I found a little Bug?? 21d2

If the TX-ATT is on 0, and you press the Tune Button (with PA, full Power) I get adc Overload, the ATT will not coming up.
If PS has Set the ATT first, then it is all ok.
(extern Sampler)
May be sometimes this is a bit dangerus. Ihave seen this also in 21a, but was not able to find this Proplem.

73 Erwin

21d3:

USB/LSB problem soved, but unfortunately, at startup, the filter is always changed to a 2.9k width filter.