Observations and issues after install of Thetis 2.9.0.6 x64

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Observations and issues after install of Thetis 2.9.0.6 x64

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Exchanged thoughts on this with a good friend as well (went straight from Thetis 2.8.11 (10/20/20) to 2.9.06 x64 (4/23/2022) (Protocol 1 v2.7).
Using VAC1: 128 Buffer at 48kHz. PC is a multi-core i7, 32GB RAM, 512GB SSD machine. Perhaps I should go from P1 to P2 to solve some of the issue reported below.....? :?

I made a back-up of the entire OpenHPSDR folder and placed it in a secure place. Uninstalled current Thetis and reinstalled and upgraded to 2.9.06 x64 (4/23/2022) (Protocol 1 v2.7) this morning. Had to delete the OpenHPSDR folder as it was still under Programs. Restarted PC after reinstalling to the version shown above.

Some observations:
1) TX profiles are there.
2) Had to increase Ring Buffer numbers quite a bit from (Manual boxes checked) 5/5 to 25/40 on IN/OUT respectively as I could hear audio artifacts with the lower numbers I used previously.
3) Had to hike PortAudio numbers to 120 (Manual boxes checked) from much lower numbers that I used before (5 in each box) as audio artifacts were present otherwise
UPDATE: lowered numbers to 40/40 and 20/20 just now and am getting lower latency...........
UPDATE2: It seems that when I switch from one TX Profile to another I must retweak the RingBuffer and PortAudio numbers and then save the TX Profile now. IF I don't do that I get huge run-ups on under and overflow numbers. I think that on the previous much older software I used before the change I only set those on the VAC1 once, set/forget. Is there a way to save these as a default so that I just set/forget instead o]f having to do it every time I use a new TX Profile?
4) Latency increased from the moment I speak into mic to when listening to my audio in the MON. Before this change of software the latency was perhaps around 50ms and much better. I use a DAW (CPU load is still the same as before so this is a Thetis issues I believe and not DAW related). Audio quality is worse than before and even at the "high" settings shown above the audio has a lot of artifacts in it. I assume hiking the numbers even more will remedy my issue.
See screen-capture of VAC1 Form at end. Under/Overflows numbers shooting up extremely fast to numbers that I did not see on the previous software version.
5) Network throttle index:
I see there is now an option to tweak it from inside THETIS whereas I did this via the PC previously. How should I go about this now? NOT mess with the settings inside THETIS?
5) Receiver seems much less noisy (lower noise-floor than before) and I thought that there was something "wrong" with the antenna at first. Noise floor is about 2 S UNITS lower than before........ :?
6) Calibration
Watt-meter: just like it was before
PA Gain: Numbers are now different from before for all bands and I see there is now a new option that says "Offset for: 20M". Can I assume that I need to use the "offset" thumb-wheels to set my PA Gains correctly for the different bands? I guess that with this new option one can calibrate the PA settings for each band much more precisely as the option has drive levels from 10 to 100?
I like the "Actual Power @100%" option that one can now use for every band.
7) I can only see "System" load on CPU now and can't switch between "system" and "Thetis" which I liked.
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Suggestions, comments!

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PC: 8 Core i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz, NVMe SK Hynix 512 GB SSD, 32GB RAM
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Protocol 2 v2.2.2a
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Re: Observations and issues after install of Thetis 2.9.0.6 x64

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Items 2-4: these are specifically digital audio issues and unlikely to be associated with the new version of Thetis. I've not heard anyone develop problems due to upgrading. Moving to P2 will not affect any issues you are having here. You did not describe what ANAN you are using, what DAW you are using, what audio interface you are using, nor how it is all connected. This entire sub-topic is probably worthy of it's own specific topic in the virtual audio sub-forum.

Item 5: turn on the option in Thetis and just leave it alone.

Second Item 5: this is probably a function of various new settings or the new database in Thetis 2.9.x.x. If you have properly backed up your old 2.8.11 setup (and it doesn't sound like you did, since you only mention copying one folder when you have to copy two), you could go back and forth between them and carefully match up all settings.

All items above: if you suspect a "ghost in the machine", i.e. a corrupt database, you can export your current database, reset to a fresh database and perform some experiments just to see if VAC performance changes or if receiver performance changes. Moving to P2 will not affect any of these things.

Item 6: PA calibration has TOTALLY changed. You probably haven't been keeping up with posts and discussions on the forum. See this video:

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Re: Observations and issues after install of Thetis 2.9.0.6 x64

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That video is old, and does not contain the max power config etc. This is the one that is more relevant now : https://youtu.be/2VFeawGZ-is
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Re: Observations and issues after install of Thetis 2.9.0.6 x64

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Hi Scott,

I appreciate the response and won't go into the VAC1 and Audio Interfacing things here as you suggested.

Using ANAN 7000 DLE MKII (Orion MKII).

Second item 5:
Which two do I need to copy?

What I did:
I backed up the OPENHPSDR folder under C:\Users\YourName\AppData\Roaming to a safe place (I understand that user specific parameters/TX Profiles etc. are included in that folder). Next, I Uninstalled Thetis and went to C:\Program Files\OpenHPSDR and Deleted the Program folder OpenHPSDR (unistalling alone didn't delete that folder) and Restarted my PC. While installing to the new version, I didn't get any error messages and thought that the install was a success.

JJ
PC: 8 Core i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz, NVMe SK Hynix 512 GB SSD, 32GB RAM
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Re: Observations and issues after install of Thetis 2.9.0.6 x64

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You asked this question already and I already answered you. I can only give you the answers, I can't make you read the posts or do what they say ;)

See here: https://apache-labs.com/community/viewt ... f=9&t=4131, specifically my post from Sun Apr 24, 2022 9:19 pm
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Re: Observations and issues after install of Thetis 2.9.0.6 x64

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Thank you Richie! Will watch the latest on the PA settings.

JJ
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Re: Observations and issues after install of Thetis 2.9.0.6 x64

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Scott,
I hadn't yet seen your quick response ;) .
JJ
PC: 8 Core i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz, NVMe SK Hynix 512 GB SSD, 32GB RAM
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